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Is Homosexuality A Crime?

Homosexuals. This word as most of us are aware is used for individuals who dare to voice their desire of expressing “different” sexuality. Things that do not fit within the society model are considered different.

So do I think homosexuality is a crime? Yes, would be my reply. It is nothing less than a crime, especially when placed in the Indian sub-context. For centuries it’s been a taboo and considered a curse. To top it all, homosexuality is classed as illegal under an outdated 141- years-old law that prohibits “unnatural” sexual acts, resulting in a punishable offense. This legal stance has made virtually impossible for the Indian Queer community to be completely open about their sexuality.

Even though in today’s day and age, with the growing influence of western culture, representation in main stream media and acceptance from certain sections of society, homosexuality has managed to make its presence felt in our lives – there are many men and women who attempt suicide because of their “different” desires and hence feel worthless in the eyes of God, family and wider society.

Since homosexuality signifies lives that challenge the society’s norm, which states that the only valid way of sexually or romantically relating to one another is within the framework of either marriage or a heterosexual relationship; brutality, hatred and violence are a part of continuous struggle of a queer life.

The Indian society’s view on sexuality continues to be limited and extremely rigid. We refuse to understand the “Queer” world, which embraces identities and desires of sexuality that go beyond the categories of “homosexual” and “heterosexuals”.

Gays. Lesbians. Bisexuals. Trans-gender individuals have no rights to marry, adopt children or even protest against discrimination at the workplace… in fact, no right to be recognized as normal human beings, free to live life as billions of other do – All because of their sexual orientation. This is indeed a fearful reality, especially for a country where more than 10 per cent of the population is comprised by GLBTs.

Rather than pondering over ridiculous thoughts which look upon homosexuality as a crime, it would be in our best interest (as a society and nation) to actually look for solutions to curb such in-human mentality. Don’t you think so?

And to begin, all we need is an open mind and above all, an open heart.

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shadows
Sep 10th, 2007 at 9:22 am | #

Its difficult to have an open mind when homosexuals dont consider the right of normal people to be normal.
Also, by such acts, its actually the homosexuals themselves who are making things difficult for themselves….
Public perceptions yoohi nahi bante. Homosexuals have themselves to blame as much as others.

Ok, if someone is homosexual, its okay as long as they keep their homosexuality amongst themselves and stop irritating or troubling normal people.

Its pretty common to come across such nuts in public. A friend of mine was fondled by a gay in a train, and he picked up a fight. I found many such incidents I heard to be strange and somewhat unbelievable, until the day i faced it. I was on my bike, parking on the side of the street. Some gay came up to me on the pretext of asking for directions, and groped my …. umm c**k. I threw away his hand and I just drove away. I wanted to kick him, but i actually was laughing away while driving and strangely pitied him. (And no, I wasnt wearing any red or pink or lavender shirt or any handkerchiefs around my neck. Instead I had a week old stubble.. )

I also recall the Sonu nigam – subhash Jha incident…..

shadows
Sep 10th, 2007 at 9:27 am | #

>>> especially for a country where more than 10 per cent of the population is comprised by GLBTs.

Sakshi,

Really ? I did not know that… Is that really true? 10%…. a man would be hit on by gays every other day or something.
Or you were talking about the movie and fashion industry only… :)

If you picked up this info from Tehelka or Outlook or similar “socialist” rags, then it might be false. They mess up data pretty often.

Saakshi O. Juneja
Sep 10th, 2007 at 9:37 am | #

Shadows: Well I think you are generalizing way too much here. Not all GAY men are leeches just as not all heterosexual men are rapists. We have all kinds of perverted fuckers in this country but to say all or most of them belong to the Queer community would be entirely in correct. As for the fondling incident, that’s really sickening but on the other hand majority of women commuters go thru the same (or at times even worse) ordeal in the hands of sexually-retarded men.

Just because of few bad ones, we cannot be un-fair towards the entire community – it’s really that straight forward.

With regards to the 10% share – As mentioned it includes; Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transvestites. The source is not any news channel (believe me like you…I too don’t have much faith in them), it’s actually from a book called “Queer Politics in India” published in 2005. Since it’s two years data, surely the percentage must have gone up by couple of notches.

shadows
Sep 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pm | #

Sakshi,

Hmm.. true. I am generalizing, I dont mean to broadbrush. What I said was a general observation, based on what you see hear and experience, numbers and statistics…

But the number of such incidents, given the small number of gays, does seem to be too much? There seem to be lot of gays harassing normals… (Its like say, there may be a section which is 15% of our population but have a much larger share in crime and terror).

Now, if you include other groups, I wonder just how many times have I been harassed by “hijras” on the streets or trains, for money and have had to listen to their sickening lewd talk….. I would give them money to stop them bothering me, but they wouldnt settle for less (and to think about it,.. its money for nothing and they think its their right.. ) Damn, at Mumbai Central Longdistance station they even harass you right near the security checkpoints with scores of policemen (and policewomen) around.

I am not anti-gay or something, but I think they should be policed if they trouble normals..

Also, dont trust that book if its written by khadi-kurta daadiwala socialist or socialite types..
More than 10% is still too hard to believe… Hell, they would have been a vote-bank by now..

Amit
Sep 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pm | #

Maybe if Indian community is more open to accepting queers, there will be less instances of groping, as mentioned by shadows. I’ve had similar experiences of being approached by gay men, and I simply smile and let them know I don’t swing that way. Why get angry over the fact that someone found me attractive? If a woman approached me similarly, she would be making an assumption about my sexuality too, just like the gay man. Still, harassment is no reason to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and they are as “normal” as heterosexual folks.

Changing the archaic British laws in India on homosexuality would be a welcome step. Also if more heterosexual men open their minds to bending over, maybe some of the taboos surrounding gay sex will start to break. ;)

Nikita
Sep 10th, 2007 at 10:19 pm | #

India has been noted to be the next super power country, along with China – with it modernizing and building in every sense, and it is just sad to see the minds of majority people are still in the backward ages. Please tell me where in Hinduism or our culture does it state homosexuality should be banned, or denied the right to happiness and pleasure like the rest of us. People don’t realize that you are born gay, it is not a choice that one day you decide, “I know what I will do this morning, I am going to be a homosexual”. No! Do you think all the gay people in the world are proud to be gay? They are not because society is teaching people to shun them, and they just live in fear. Why would anyone want to live like that, be scared to be who they are- please enlighten me? There are so many issues going on with religion, race etc, I think homosexuality is the least harmful one and people should just “LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT” and accept homosexuality people for who they are. At least they aren’t bombing innocent people. People need to prioritize their thinking. Then I think, how is this possible, Indian doesn’t even have a proper sex education for kids, just saying the word “sex” people freak, (funny considering we invented karma sutra!), so I don’t know how people are going to learn and accept homosexuality. It seems to me the more educated people in India are the most conservative people. Thought through education, you learn, and be more open minded regarding social concepts and think out of the box?? I guess educated people lack common sense!! Wheni was in mumbai, i see loads of indian men, on the streets holding hands, and people seem fine with that, now why is that socially acceptable? two men holding hands, seems a bit gayish to me. Also, as for the gay men attacking people in public, well what about all the guys out there throwing taunts at girls left, right and centre, and girls being accidentally “manhandeled” on buses and trains…. next issue will be, being asexual is crime, crime to love one self!!!

Concerned Critic
Sep 11th, 2007 at 4:03 am | #

Really nice write-up Sakshi. Informative and very encouraging.

But pray tell me, have you been bitten by the corporate parasite as well? Why would your write for some sloppy blog like India Report? Have you sold your soul to the devil?

Don’t take it the wrong way, I am just your concerned critic.

Have a Good Day.

shadows
Sep 11th, 2007 at 7:30 am | #

>>> Please tell me where in Hinduism or our culture does it state homosexuality should be banned, or denied the right to happiness and pleasure like the rest of us.

Yep, I was wondering if someone would bring Hinduism or culture into this. Yeah true, Hinduism/culture does not say anything about homosexuality.

There is nothing against homosexuality as such, but they should stop troubling normal people, thats it. Gay rights does not mean the rights of gays to harass normal people.

Saakshi O. Juneja
Sep 11th, 2007 at 7:46 am | #

Shadows: I can understand as to why you find 10%, an aggregated figure but then you also have to take into account that many homosexuals remain in closet practically their entire lives because of the society and family pressure around them. If more people came out with sexual orientation then automatically their visibility would increase.

As for Gay people harassing Heterosexuals (don’t think “normal” is the correct word), well I have to say that you are barking up the same tree again and again. Agreed Gay people should not be allowed to enforce their sexual desire upon unwilling parties, just as heterosexuals should not enforce theirs on un-willing women. But why is it that Heterosexual couples are given so many liberties irrespective of their “personal nature” whereas the Queer community is denied even basic privileges?

shadows
Sep 11th, 2007 at 11:43 am | #

>>> But why is it that Heterosexual couples are given so many liberties irrespective of their “personal nature” whereas the Queer community is denied even basic privileges?

Basic privileges like ?? Gay marriages ? Well, sure, I am in favour of it, maybe then they will trouble heterosexuals less.

Again, you say many homosexuals hide their sexuality . Then nobody would know that they are homosexuals, and then they will have same rights as heteros.. how can their rights and privileges be denied then ?

And I wonder, if some members of the Queer community can harass right in front of police, then what more rights are needed ??

You may say I am barking up the same tree etc, but what I have seen and heard is a lot more different from what gay rights articles say…. I do accept some points though – Laws against “unnatural sexual acts” are bad. Discrimination against Gays is bad. But its not as if gays are oppressed or kicked around or something.. they way gay rights activists make it out to be..

>>> two men holding hands, seems a bit gayish to me
Nikita, Is two women holding hands lesbianish ? :)
Have you ever seen a bunch of girls meeting ? That would seem a lot more homosexual than a bunch of guys meeting…

shadows
Sep 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am | #

Ok, Sakshi,

The natural thing is – Any heterosexual would avoid a gay/lesbian because the gay would then be interested in him or something. Its like — He is my friend all right but he is gay. I will not be close friends with him because he might get interested, etc. It becomes pretty much like how heterosexual girls behave WRT male friends.

Just another perspective is what I am giving…

Saakshi O. Juneja
Sep 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pm | #

Shadows :

Again, you say many homosexuals hide their sexuality . Then nobody would know that they are homosexuals, and then they will have same rights as heteros.. how can their rights and privileges be denied then ?

What I meant when I said that they are in closet meant that they openly do not discuss their sexuality. Some come out to their close friends, some move away from home, some may be open with their family but cause of society’s ridicule keep it as a secret, shut within the four walls of their home.

But its not as if gays are oppressed or kicked around or something.. they way gay rights activists make it out to be.

Well sadly there have been numerous cases where Homosexuals have been driven to suicides because of taunting remarks, sick jokes, discrimination and sometimes even physical abuse. And this happens in major metro cities, you can’t even begin to imagine what goes on in smaller towns.

The natural thing is – Any heterosexual would avoid a gay/lesbian because the gay would then be interested in him or something. Its like — He is my friend all right but he is gay. I will not be close friends with him because he might get interested, etc.

Oh, come on…this is just plain silly but unfortunately many do think on the same lines as you. But then it’s like saying you fall for every woman you get introduced to. Gays are also “humans”….they too do have choices and preference and likings…in the matters of the heart and intimacy. It’s not that they bonk anything and everything that comes their way….. ;)

I think more than the change in laws, it’s the society’s perception the desperately needs to move forward. I know it’s easy said than done – but at the end of it all, it’s the only correct way.

shadows
Sep 11th, 2007 at 3:24 pm | #

>> But then it’s like saying you fall for every woman you get introduced to.

Well, there are women who do think like that.. any guy she gets introduced to is trying to get fresh with her….. :)
Anyway, I am not anti-gay-rights or something, I am not much supportive of gays either, mostly because of bad experiences of friends and mine.
Point taken.

Amit
Sep 12th, 2007 at 3:05 am | #

Shadows, once someone you know and care about comes out to you as gay, your entire attitude towards queer folks will transform. (I hope.) :)

Samir
Sep 12th, 2007 at 3:13 am | #

All because of their sexual orientation. This is indeed a fearful reality, especially for a country where more than 10 per cent of the population is comprised by GLBTs.

10% Really – thats about 110 million Indians

The internationally accepted % is 2% of any species is homosexual and 1% asexual. Add to that may be 0.5-1% transgendered.

Nikita
Sep 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pm | #

To shadows – I still dont understand how you can argue that gays harrassing people is wrong, but not think, about how many guys harass girls… hypocrite me thinks!!!

Broom
Sep 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pm | #

Sakshi,
I’ve been a lurker on your blog for months now. Just wanted to de-lurk and thank you. Not just for this post, but also for calmly responding to some of the most ridiculous, but sadly, common misconceptions about the LGBT community.

Thanks
Broom (& The Girl)

Patrix
Sep 13th, 2007 at 12:44 am | #

Sakshi, after reading Shadow’s comments, you might now see why homosexuals are a discriminated lot in India. I’m sure even educated people consider gays despicable. BTW on an aside, Shadows is prejudiced by all the unpleasant incidents that he and his friends have found themselves with homosexuals. Unless people can be openly gay in India, I’m afraid only such incidents will define them. But that’s a reflection of the society rather than that of homosexuals.

Saakshi O. Juneja
Sep 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pm | #

Broom – Thank you so very much and please do continue to Lurk. ;)

Patrix – I totally do understand that but I guess there is no one way solution here. Both , the society and the LGBT community needs to work together in order to address such issues. It’s difficult but we have to make a start somewhere and that too very soon.

ajendra pratap singh
Sep 27th, 2007 at 10:17 am | #

well, to yalk about something trough which uve never been, may seem very easy but just keep ur self in the shoe of a gay or a lesbian ,”in the indian context”.is it realy easy to say that ,yes i am a gay or lesbian? doesnt seems so.
beintg a hetro its easy to say thats wrong its unnatural,but what if ur the one, on whom the comment is made , then what ?
why,should rather with whos authority does one gets the right to comment on the sexuality of a person?even i have faced a gay once,but then to talk on exceptions and make it a issue to point out someone and then say there sexuality is wrong, is very bad.after all they are also a creation of the same god.

disgusting
Oct 1st, 2007 at 10:55 am | #

PERSONALLY IT SICKENS ME TO EVEN THINK WHAT GOES ON IN THE BEDROOM BETWEEN THESE ‘QUEERS’

HOW MORE DISGUSTING CAN A RELATIONSHIP GET THEY CHOSE TO LIVE THIS SORT OF LIVES.

THERE’S NO HARM BEING FRIENDS WITH THESE PEOPLE BUT I AM ALWAYS WEARY OF THEM.

drab
Oct 2nd, 2007 at 1:27 pm | #

got damn its a crime !! with so much gourmet pussy around in india , if someone loves the cock its seriously an effing crime

apsara77
Oct 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 pm | #

Hey Sakshi,
I came across your blog accidently and while i found your analysis of popular tv shows really funny and witty, i was really interested in this particular post of yours..I’m a 29 yr old bi-sexual woman living in the U.S since I was a teenager and grew up in India before that and have been with my girlfriend who’s Pakistani and Muslim (i’m Indian and non-religious but socialized as a Hindu) for the past 11 yrs which is hell of a longer time than a lot of straight people and have faced issues around immigration, discrimination, and homophobia and i recently came out to my parents and life hasn’t been peachy keens..i do believe that sexuality is a biological issue and not a social so the whole ‘why don’t they change’ statement really offends me..and there has been a lot of studies and books about how same-sex desire and relationships has existed in all cultures including in India for a long time..i also believe that people who are the most homophobic are so because they are dealing with issues around their own sexual identity and desires and acting it out..anyway, great article and i appreciate that you follow up to the comments as well…

Saakshi O. Juneja
Oct 4th, 2007 at 8:05 am | #

Dear Apsara,

Firstly I have to commend you for being gutsy enough to come out to your parents. Believe me there are many who continue to live in the closet, just because they aren’t strong enough to face the after-consequences. I guess living away from a conservative society like ours, has its perks. Plus you are lucky to have support of a loving partner.

I totally agree people who aren’t content and comfortable with their own identity…they are the first ones to point their fingers on others even if it is none of their damn business.

Hopefully this attitude will change with time and people would start weighing others on the basis of the humanity and not sexual orientations.

Wishing you the very best…

Broom
Oct 4th, 2007 at 8:41 am | #

@Apsara – I thought I had my work cut out for me wrt coming out to my folks, since I’m with a caucasian partner, but knowing the anti-Muslim and especially the anti-Pakistan sentiment that prevails in India, I guess you had it harder! I’m dreading the day I try to explain to my parents why I don’t want to be married to a man again, why I feel so happy and complete with a woman. I suspect that even though they are very educated and kind and wonderful people, their first instinct will be “That white girl has corrupted you” or some such weird argument.
Kudos to you.

@Sakshi – sorry for hijacking your comment space.

Saakshi O. Juneja
Oct 4th, 2007 at 8:57 am | #

Broom – Babes, you are welcome to do so…anytime. ;)

ps..Its funny na how parents so effortless-ly blame their child’s faults on to their friends, partners, etc. As if they are in-capable of doing anything against their (parents) wishes and it has to be “someone else’s doing”.

Broom
Oct 4th, 2007 at 10:35 am | #

Thanks Sakshi.
I guess parents do that because any fault in their child (not that being gay is a fault!) reflects upon them.

And yaar, I was in bombay – but didn’t want to be “maan na maan main teri mehmaan.” next time – pakka!

really interested...
Oct 14th, 2007 at 6:51 pm | #

shadows: I have a couple of things to share with you..and anyone else who want to listen….for starters, what is “normal” exactly? You? Me? Who and what? i suppose I’m speaking from personal experience, although i wish you had a good one, i live in australia… reading the views of other people in other countries really made me smile…mostly… I suppose you could say I am bi-sexual, except i really hate that word,,as there is stereotype as everythng else…geez… I am very in love with my BOYfriend now(im a girl), about a year ago i fell madly inlove with a beautiful person…a girl…that was the day that I was so happy to finally be able to be myself, whole.. and then, I told my mum, who had assured me my whole life that no matter what, how or where i was she would accept anything i said..my dad WAS homophobic and I couldnt believe how they took it.. My mum, straight up said, ” dont believe you, you are just confused”. she thought dad would be the same, and so did I, so she asked me to call him during the big fight to tell him and he was so ok with it, he was just worried about us fighting.. But the thing is, we’ve talked about it and I am sorta open with them now..its amazing really, how much they’ve actually grown bringing up me..honestly, after i hit about 14,it would have been so hard for my parents to see me go through a stage of life where i was just trying to find my soul in the totally wrong ways, even though, i regret hurting people close to me by accident.. i could see it and its good because its just like i feel so loved for once in my life,and not even my bf, it all my freinds and family, I love them more than anything else in the world..and the part that means so much to me, and so significant, the angels taking care of me and hopefully everything i hold dear, I wish,oh I wish for a fairy princess..on the same hand, my best friend in whole entire world is homosexual..we talk about absolutely everything..none of my other friends realise he is gay until i tell them..and thats because he thinks the stereotype is redicilous and the selected number wreck the reputation of everybody else,,the thing is..do you know how most homosexual people realise they are infact gay???because they are attracted to masculin men….my mate thinks exactly the same as me…”why act like a queen??”..its not needed..we both think alike though really….basically, your a guy, and you are attracted to the same sex..that means you should purposely act like a chick does it?? Same goes for girls though, I never say i am bi..apparently all girls are these days thats why, but i dot need to announce it…I will ALWAYS loveher though, no matter what..I do believe she was my first REAL love, and i know if we were meant to be together we will end up meeting half way…i want her to meet matt..she will love him..and he will love her:P
..aww i miss them both:( the only word he gets a bit offended by is if u call him a faggot..that is the most dispicable thing anyone could ever do someone…omfg especially him… you know, true blue blokes.. ..but seriously shadows, how can you be so shallow minded?? I think its so sad when men cant come out and they marry,have kids because they feel like they have to, and then come out later on and it shatters there family..and its because people like you who ridicule and who alsoexpects every gay guy wants to fuck you because you are a guy..it doesnt work like that..ive obviously have been friends with girls my whole life and i met the person i was hoping I would… someone who loved me, and yes it was her first female relationship too, I love my boyfriend but i have never ever get over her, she makes my blood rush and a smile to my face…. Niki’s the kind of girl that you never want to leave:),and can’t help but feeling like she need me,all the time:( and you certainly couldn’t forget abputThe moral of this whole statement/opinion: EVERYBODY IS THE SAME..We are all wonderful people and everyone deserves all the respect on world.. no matter what they choose to do with there partners, no matter who they choose.. Love is all around,you just need to except it, and take it all in..let your spiRit soar…(L) It makes me so sad to think there are so many people who are either sooo arroguant or nie’ve that they wont be able to experience the most woderful joys in life…to be free, and to let everyone else be…who they want to be…
With Love and hope for everyone
dont ever forget who you are,you deserve the world…If you want it bad enough,it will bo yours…(L)

India
Oct 15th, 2007 at 6:42 am | #

You women make me sick. In the name of freedom you cannot go against God’s creation. Women are made for Men and thats the way it should be. Stop aping the west and stick to your cultured roots.

sirkay
Nov 4th, 2007 at 12:46 am | #

hi, it’s interesting to see how guys tackle this all important issue ‘Homosexuality’. I commend you guys. However, i believe this discussion could be helped if anyone has any idea of any which expressely define the rights of individuals concerning their freedom to sexuality. Is it agianst one’s right to engage in any form of sexual behavior with any consenting individual (whether adult or not; married or not)?

Neeti
Nov 16th, 2007 at 6:10 pm | #

One of the biggest problems which people tend to overlook in this topic is the risk of transmission of HIV and other STDs. Homosexual couples a) don’t worry about contraception and often abstain from using any method for the same b) have been observed to have multiple partners-I don’t have scientific statistics for these facts but am pretty sure this is true. Also the risk of transmission of HIV is greater in cases of sodomy (homosexual and hetrosexual). Now for the likes who hit on shadows’ friends who maybe on the downlow and never come out [and enjoy hetrosexual privileges ;-) ] they get infected, infect their spouse and children born there after.
In Africa, there are large populations orphaned because of HIV…
The archaic law must be changed. If the govt takes an initiative, will the society be forced to accept them as people with different preferences and not as some abnormal species.

Dr. R.
Nov 30th, 2007 at 11:37 pm | #

I stumbled onto your blog from a link on Desipundit, and then this post was linked to on the front page; so this discussion may be over but ill leave in a couple of words.

My basic contentions with homosexuality (call me homophobic if you like) are:
- Humans, and all animals, are wired to want to have sex. Women have breasts, men develop muscular bodies, and many other traits that are meant to attract the opposite sex. The basic goal of any species is to sustain itself through reproduction; homosexuality goes against that basic instinct. Sex in this case is best a form of recreation, not procreation. By Darwin’s theory, any genetic impetus to have not reproduce means that that should die out, and perhaps if society DOES accept homosexuality as normal, fewer gays will remain closeted, fewer will have kids with heterosexual partners, and that genetic trait will die out. so i have to disagree with you and say that “normal’ is an appropriate way to describe heterosexuals.

- This is the only community that identifies itself based on its sexuality — perhaps its not any worse from dividing people by religion, race, caste, nationality but then you have to acknowledge that sex is a much more important part of their life than it is of the rest. So the assertion that “Not all GAY men are leeches just as not all heterosexual men are rapists.” while true is not as black and white as you put it. The probability of a gay man being a leech is higher and that of a heterosexual man being a leech.

My 2c.

ps: good blog, ill add it my my roll of daily visits.

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