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The ‘M’ Word (Part 4) – The Dented Mentality

I have always been of the opinion that we, the Punjabis are very much the happy-go-lucky sorts. Be it about religion, patriotism, cultural do’s and don’ts or society as a whole – we simply can’t be bothered. Punjus (as we are fondly nicknamed at times) are very much content within the boundaries of Tandoori Chicken and Johnny Walker, however as it is often witnessed Human Behavior can totally surprise you or at times knock your mind off with Horror.

And this is a Horror Story.

On the weekend I met up with an old friend, hectic work schedules and over demanding family lives had kept us apart for months, so I was really glad to finally get an evening out with her.

Coming from an upper-middle class Punjabi background, things haven’t been easy for Shamita (*name changed) as one would have imagined. Closing to 30 and still un-married is a big deal and I say this from experience. But I guess for Shamita things are a lot tougher since her parents seem to be at their wits end and practically curse their fate at every given opportunity for giving life to two daughters and NO sons.

In the last few months, she has been Checked Out by over 30 prospective men – some single, some divorcees, some decent, some horny, some monetarily lecherous and some who didn’t give a shit. Not that she had been choosey; in fact it was her who was deemed not up to the mark by most of these men. The main hurdle as seen by her family and the enquiring opposite side is the fact that Shamita’s older sister is a divorcee with a 5 year old daughter and she also happens to live with them.

Yes, just this small insignificant fact has turned away many families from their doorstep and countless others who don’t find them worthy enough for consideration for their Prince Charming.

Sipping the coffee, she was spilling out her horror stories one after the other and I could feel the anger pumping inside of me with every passing moment; anger towards her family, anger towards those sick thinking men and their families, anger towards my own community. But Shamita had no such feelings, I kept searching for pain on her face, in her eyes, in her words and found nothing – guess this is what happens when one’s self-respect gets kicked around like a football, you just become Immune.

Couple of weeks back she met a guy via the arranged route, he was nice and very understanding of her family’s state of affairs. They met twice again after the first meeting. With the boy’s approval, her family decided to take things a step further and invited his family over for lunch. The entire duration of 120 odd minutes, not even once did his mother bothered to talk to Shamita. His sister seemed to be least interested and was busy taking office calls (so she claims) every few minutes. The boy himself and his dad were the only ones following a civil behavior.

The next morning, she was woken up by her father who looked as if he had dipped his face in a bucket of tears and sorrow. And the reason once again was the “Rejection” from the other side. Her parents had called up the boy’s father basically to know their decision and this is what the man on the other side of the phone said….

“Jab hum market mein gaadi khareedne jatein hai toh pehele dekhte hain ki uspe koi dent ya daag na ho. Humhe bhi ek saaf sutara model chahiye joh aap ki beti nahi hai.”

Pardom my Hindi here but seriously these bloody chutes need to get the engines of their brains repaired first before pointing fingers on others. I mean for crying out loud, not that there is anything wrong in the first place but anyway these people knew her family situation right from the word “go” then what sort of a bullshit excuse was that. Even forget that, if they had to say “No” surely there were many other polite options to do so.

Really such people piss me off; we can’t even begin to imagine what the girl’s father must have felt on hearing those heart-piercing words and what about Shamita’s humiliation.

I did my best to consol her as a friend but frankly how much can mere “words” help in such high-drama, real-life circumstances. The later part of the evening, I couldn’t get myself to think beyond her life and I have to admit that there were those selfish moments where I thanked God for making the grass so much more greener on my side.

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Saraswathi
Jul 11th, 2007 at 8:43 am | #

Sakshi,

I am aware of such kind of mentality among people cos my own aunt is a divorcee and cos of that two of her younger sisters are not married yet. Its a very sad state of affairs. It makes me angry at the society on the whole. But then a consistent change in attitude and effort by youngsters to change such things in the society seems to be the only solution.

Full2njoy
Jul 11th, 2007 at 11:47 am | #

Should your friend (Shamita) also be kicked for taking all the crap lying down? I seriously believe so.

SHANTANU
Jul 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pm | #

I am amazed. While this is common in rural India and smaller cities, I find this particular situation extreme (including the choice of words that were used). However, the only solution (that actually works!) is when you take a stand. And to take a stand you have to be educated (which can provide you financial security if you choose to move out and be your own person). If your friend is educated and capable of being financially stable on her own, I don’t see how she can blame family or society if she takes a passive stance in this situation. I have known friends who under similar circumstances stood their ground. It will be even more dangerous if she does get married to one of these creeps!

Twilight Fairy
Jul 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pm | #

sakshi, these things are prevalent everywhere in educated households like ours.. punju or non-punju..
u won’t believe it but if u wanna hear horror stories.. I can tell you some when you come to EPN next :p.

and all those suggesting taking a stand – just how does one take care of the shit that goes in today’s date in the name of “eligible grooms”.. can guys like this who can’t get out of their parents sickening mindset ever be suitable as husbands later in life?

Ramesh
Jul 12th, 2007 at 1:20 am | #

The problem is because of arranged marriages. Families have a lot of unnecessary say in arranged marriages. People(read families) need to make, on the spot decisions, without getting to know the girl or her family . The boy’s family will always add two and two together. And the boys will always agree with their families than with a person they have known for only a few days.

Sharad
Jul 12th, 2007 at 4:05 am | #

Hi Sakshi,

I completely agreey that the behavior and attitude of the families from the boys’ side is absolutely shameful, disgraceful.. words are not enough.

But I have always wondered about the other side – why do the girls’ families, especially the upper middle class ones, also not show more spine? Why do they allow themselves and their daughters to be used in such a fashion? I think the fault lies equally with them. If they don’t let themselves be so influenced by what the society feels about having 30something unmarried daughters and instead let things be, or atleast tone down their desperation (of having their daughters married off) even a bit – it will help. At the very least the girl will not feel so under confident, or that she is a burden on her parents, and will have a much more normal life!

TTG
Jul 12th, 2007 at 4:43 am | #

Sakshi,
why would your friend _want_ to marry guys like these, who are influenced by such nonsense?

Further, there really is no need to make the broad generalisations about “We Punjabis” – whether positive or negative. I know lots of South Indians who love their chicken and Whisky too, and of course Arranged Marriage is an Indian nightmare, not just a Punjabi one. How are those generalisations any different than Vulturo’s famous “Madrasi Chicks” comment? Aren’t you also falling to the level of those people who are extrapolating your friend’s behaviour through her sister?

Why always ‘We Punjabis’, or ‘We Indians’?

Pooja
Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:15 am | #

I suppose the main problem here is that families generally feel that a woman is somehow not ‘complete’ till she gets married and has a couple of kids. If the girl and her family don’t give a damn about marriage themselves, I guess they wouldn’t be walked over in this manner. This is a sickening story, one oft-heard and repeated. And the comparison of the girl to a car!!! WTF was that?? Like a woman is goods to be sold…

Sakshi
Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:24 am | #

Dear TTG,

Let me start by answering to the second portion of your comment first; my blog is my personal space and this post (and the entire ‘M’ word series for that matter) have been written based on my personal experience. The reason why I specified the word “Punjabi” is simply because I am one myself and these posts present my perception of the “arranged” dealing in my community. By merely placing the word “Indian” instead of the segmented group I am talking about just doesn’t make any sense because frankly I have no first-hand experience on how matters of arranged marriage are dealt with in other communities.

I write what I think/feel and NOT because I want to be politically correct. :)

With regards to the first part, I asked her the same question and got a mere nod in reply.

Sakshi
Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:35 am | #

Well I guess it’s easy for us to sit on the other side of the fence and form opinions but you have to agree it’s totally a different ball game when it comes being in the shoes of the other person. Not that I am giving any justification but I could some-what understand the ‘taking it lying down’ attitude of my friend – I mean when you don’t have the support of your own people it is difficult to take a stand against the society and social norms at large.

From her parent’s point of view, I guess the whole ‘divorce’ experience of the first daughter has left them jittery and in some ways rejected by their social surroundings. The result of this is the added pressure of Shamita.

The solution obviously is not as easy we jot down words on our keyboards….but yes, if you want to survive you either gulp down all the crap that comes your way OR you form a thick skin and start living by your own rules.

IdeaSmith
Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:38 am | #

A very cliched response but true: Your friend is far better off without the ‘saaf gaadi’ aspirants. And yes, I’m saying this but there are better men out there. At very worst, a single life of respect and independence is infintely preferable to being the trophy of a third-rate human being. If your friend still needs any more pep, put her in touch with me!

And by the way, the pic is beautiful.

Neo
Jul 12th, 2007 at 6:19 am | #

One is a divorcee, and the other is single and thirty…Problem kids, these certainly are.
Hmmm… Something must be wrong with their upbringing. Probably, the parents haven’t taught them shudh Indian values. Hmmm….

And so goes the thinking of all the fuddy duddies in India

shadows
Jul 12th, 2007 at 7:58 am | #

LOLzz.. gaadi mein dent nahi .. what stupidity?

Rani Sowmya
Jul 12th, 2007 at 9:58 am | #

Hmm.. Matrimonial Madness.. Can actually relate to It.. Quite true indeed.. Its wide prevalent in all parts of india, especially in the arranged marriage scenario.. Metro to Villages, the situation is same.. Guess everyone who goes though the arranged route have similar experiences to share.. Probably those voices get muted or people become immune…

SHANTANU
Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:02 am | #

@Sakshi: “Easy to sit on the other side of the fence…” is absolutely correct. However, given the situation, there is no easy solution. You have to find ways to get out of this impossible situation (or at least modify it somewhat). I have known friends who took up higher studies and went abroad, took up a job in a different city, etc., to escape from the daily pressure from family.

And hey, that “I write what I think/feel and NOT because…”, applies to my responses here as well! :)

Gaurav Varma
Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:04 am | #

Absolutely disgraceful..but sadly this state of affairs isnt confined to Punjus only. I think the only thing that can change this situation is education. If a woman is successful and doing well, people will be compelled to accord her the respect she truly should get. Only then would marriages be considered a union of equals by society.

Niket
Jul 12th, 2007 at 11:53 am | #

Sakshi,

I don’t have words to express my outrage that educated people behave this way. This problem arises due to a very dirty mentality. “Gaadi me dent hai” is exactly the right expression. Woman is a posession. That is why we have this grand tradition of kanyadaan. The property is merely changing hands; wedding is just a transaction.

I don’t want to be another person to blame the victim.

Nonetheless, the first and foremost thing your friend needs to do is realize that she is beholden to no one. It isn’t her fault or her parents fault or her sisters fault that she is a divorcee’s sister. There is nothing wrong in being a divorcee. Marriage is not everything. You can live a content life outside of matrimony. If things work out in that department, well and good. If they don’t, its still better than getting married to a shmuck.

Likewise, if she ends up getting married, there should be no reason for her family to feel “obligated” towards the guys family… if and when she gets married, it should be with dignity (for herself and her family) and not a samjhauta.

I know it is easy for me to say all this. I apologize if anything I said rubs anyone in a wrong way. But we, the so called educated people, have to change our attitudes first before we can hope to see that change in our society.

M0rph3us
Jul 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pm | #

My heart goes out to people who face this on a daily basis. But I agree with the comments above..why does your friend take it lying down. Why does she have to agree to being ‘seen’ like a car to start with. I mean I know people talk a lot of shit, but there is no one stopping her and her folks from taking all this shit. If you want to change things, you need to be strong enough to stand up and say..Enough!!! Thanks!!! Now get the hell out of my house. Would it make sense to send a girl off with a guy with such a mentality even he did say yes to your friend?

Zeya
Jul 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pm | #

Having gone through similar thing for my sister and myself. I can totally relate to this. And to add to that so far we didnt have any divorcee as well in our family.
You need to convey this to you frend. This world is full of bad and good people. She will meet some bad people before she meets the good one. Thats way life goes. Her parents and she herself needs a mindset change as well. Society is full of mixed kinds. You need to be smart and practical to choose the right picks. Even after that there can be some disappointments. They need to develop temperament to give back these kinds. I rememeber my father’s firmness about lechrous , money grabbing greedy folks. He used to tell them on face. “I have grown self-reliant and self-respecting daughter, and I dont think you suit them.” And I think its very important to have right apprach to handle this.

Her family needs to tone down their desperation and exasperation over it. More you try , more desperate you get. While all you need is not 20 guys seeing you. You need to screen them well , so that the slack gets cut.
Arranged marriage is full of pros and cons. It will take few more generations for our society to be refined and perfect. Till then we all need to find ways to get our match.
Now I can look back on those days, and just admire my parent’s attitude. I think its gal’s side responsibility to ensure their own and their daughter’s self-respect.

Ana D-P
Jul 13th, 2007 at 7:09 am | #

Dear sakshi
What a powerful post!! I’ve been reading yr blog for a long time now, but i’ve never commented before. But this particular post was so close to my heart that i had to comment. I had a college friend who was a Sardarni. She was the usual crazy, wacky, fun loving, homely combo that most sardanis are. By the time she was about 28, she had a couple of broken engagements and stopped keeping in touch. Imagine my horror when a few months later i learnt that she had jumped off the terrace of her building. No one claimed to know why. But this thing of “seeing prospective boys and getting married” had been the biggest preoccupation of her & her entire family she she was 21. So all of her friends believe that her self respect could take it no longer & she ended her life rather than go on with the humiliating rejection that she constantly faced in the arranged marriage process. Reading yr post brought a stab to my heart as i thought of my friend. Do keep writing such hard hitting pieces, its probably the most potent way to get other parents and prospective grooms to change.

Saakshi O. Juneja
Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:55 am | #

Shantanu – I know what you mean “Out of sight, Out of mind” logic works wonderfully in many ways. :)

Zeya – Excatly, I totally agree that her family are the only ones who can make a change to her, on all levels. But as I said, we people can only give our best viewpoints to adopt them rests on the other party.

ANA D-P – Sorry to hear about your friend. It’s sad that to hear that people are pushed to take such steps, as said earlier one’s gotto be thick skinned in order to survive in the harsh conditions set by our society.

abhishek nair
Jul 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pm | #

Outrageous and equally discouraging! On the one hand, I’m glad that your friend got out of a mess with what seem like in-laws and a husband from hell. On the other hand, there are too many folks like this in India, and not just Punjab, and your friend, and too many (more than one is too many) women face this issue on a daily basis.
Someone in here mentioned that he/she doesn’t expect something like that from educated folks. That depends on how you define education. Manners, courtesy, values – these things are taught at home. Not in schools. And unfortunately, our society is held behind by chauvinist and crass attitudes.
I realize that your friend is probably being pressured to feel old and unwanted. I’m sure you encourage her to be strong, uncompromising and principled. Those of us who are decent, rational and seemingly normal have to stand for what we believe in, not matter how long it seems to find a similar partner. When a society teeters toward high divorce rates, one must question the rationality of most match-making arrangements. I find most parents of daughters and sons that I know are unrealistic and impractical in their vision. Our societies do not match personalities, they match frivolous labels of honor. Parents/honor, needless to say, have very little to do with the long-term success of a relationship. And in a society where long-term relationships are at risk, your friend is better off being rejected by meaningless matches than falling into a trap of domestic abuse. Perhaps, she would derive comfort by believing that these matches break for her benefit? That the right guy is still out there?

SS
Jul 13th, 2007 at 9:42 pm | #

Still its a mystery why her elder is a divorcee,
and
what is the actual underline below “gaddi mei dent hain’

Anon
Jul 14th, 2007 at 5:09 am | #

SS,

You need to tell us why your “Ghaddi has a dent”, why did your wife leave you and why have you joined the biggest hoax group on the planet….oh i get it not hoax but gay group. So that was your dent huh? Your wife is also a divorcee somewhere coz you were a GAY. You were a fraud who did not reveal to his wife that he was a GAY. You wanted your wife to be your parents servant and she refused. Does that answer your question..bloody arse

Neeti
Jul 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pm | #

Hey Sakshi, visited your blog through the link in DesiPundit. Read all 4 parts of the M word-liked them all. I’m 23 and am planning for my post grad but I can so see myself in your place a few years down the line. Many relatives and at times even my mum have started talking about the proverbial M word. But I guess there are quite a few working/financially independent women out there facing this stereotype of getting married at the “right age”.
Cheers…

ranjan
Jul 15th, 2007 at 4:38 pm | #

I was going through ur article, when my eyes just popped out on this word “chutes”. What are u trying to say, chute or chutiya?

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