‘Israel’ A Threat To The Global-Peace Process
I am at my wit’s end as why these certain communities, the world over are abnormally sensitive to the issue of Jews or Israel!
I can understand the Christianity’s aversion for the Jews; simply because the Jews crucified their Lord Jesus Christ who was a Jew himself. The Bible accepts the fact that Jesus was a Jew.
Pray; why some folks get so easily peeved at someone’s praise of Israel? The statement that Israel threatens World Peace is akin to believing that the sky is about to fall on our heads! Only Palestine and Lebanon ought to be threatened by Israel because they never refrain from instigating and provoking Israel on some or the other pretext.
Pray; to which other nation is Israel perilous? And is there any example where Jewish terrorist have terrorized people in any part of the world?
In comparison to the world population of Christians, Muslims and Hindus; Jews are merely handful! Its size is much smaller than Maharashtra! How can than this small nation with its much lesser population than Muslims can be a threat to the world?
If at all any organization is a threat to the world peace it is none other than ‘Islamic Terrorism’. These die-hard, fanatic and brain-washed terrorists have been tutored by their leaders with distorted and disorganized brain to declare ‘Jihad’ even at the drop of a hat! Pray; which part of the world is spared by these groups?
In USA, they felled the World Trade Center; The Chechenian Muslim terrorists have become a perennial head-ache to the Russian Government of Vladimir Putin; In India, they were responsible for innumerable bomb-blasts, which includes Mumbai-Local Train Bomb Blast which killed many innocent locals. These cowardly terrorists aided by ISI of Pakistan have ambushed so many of our brave jawans in Kashmir and Srinagar Valley. Leave alone, the non-Muslim countries, now they have begun their inhuman and satanical activities in Islamic countries itself!
Don’t we read the news of bomb-blasts in Malaysia and Indonesia, countries with largest Muslim population? Now just recently they exploded a bomb in Islamic-Pakistan itself wherein Pakistan’s Home-Minister himself escaped death by the breadth of a hair!
In brief, the number of innocent human-beings killed these brutal terrorists exceeds many times than the population of Jews in Israel!
Why the likes of educated and self-claimed rational people don’t pressurize the Muslim clergies to issue Fatwa against those terrorists is a mystery to me! Why are they afraid to do the same against these people who are advertently or inadvertently indulging in anti-Islamic activities. As per the ‘Holy Quran’ the life and death is in the hands of Allah. But when these terrorists play with innocent lives; aren’t they going against their own principles!
For me the admiration for Israel stops at this point but you may think otherwise.



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May 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pm | #
This is a very myopic view of the whole situation. You dont have any clue as to what you are talking about.
How would you like it tomorrow if a group of Germans came and set up a fence all around mumbai and claim it as their land and then not allow you to go out or come in without a lot of hassle.
The Arabs have lived in the region in what today is Israel for more than two thousand years. The British in their screwed up foreign policy divided the lands the same way they did India and Pakistan and gave different areas to different ethnic groups. It was only after 1950 that the country of Israel was even born.
Have you ever thought where all the hatred that the Palestinians have for the Jews comes from ?? It comes from the fact that some foreign power divided their lands and then gave it to someone else.
On top of it, Israel goes around and builds settlemenets with no consideration for what exists around.
And yes they have a shit load of support and money for their work. Israel tops the list of the countries receiving American aid….to the tune of $5 billion a year.
And the Jews are in powerful positions in America, and make sure that the US will turn a blind eye to every act of Israel.
It is these Jews who are equally a threat to world peace as are the Islamic fundamentalists.
The Islamic fundamentalists are being provoked by the actions of Israel directly and the US support to Israel indirectly.
It is the whole divisive politics post WWII that are bearing fruits today.
If this post was just to increase comment submission to your blog, thats one thing. But to actually write about such a large and complex political issue with the frivolity you had shown is completely wrong.
This ain’t some bollywood review yaar.
I can go on, but will wait for your comments.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pm | #
Ma:
I recently sent you a paper ( LINK ) by tenured professors, Steve Walt and John Maersheimer (one from Harvard and the other from University of Chicago) and yet you ask this question ? Do you know that one of those professors is a Jew himself. George Soros, a Hungarian Jew (now living in USA), a holocaust survivor, also agrees with that position.
The animosity against Israel is universal. The reason being they are occupying territories that do not belong to them; They are killing Palestinians men, women, children randomly (after taking away their land, their water and their dignity). They are assassinating moderate leadership in Palestine as well as Arab lands. Yet they call
the Palestinians terrorist. Read what Jimmy Carter a former President of USA has to say about this.
Calling the victims, terrorist, is not new. The Russian did that with the Chechnians. Read Leo Tolstoy’s classic novel Hadji Murad and you will then begin to see the connection. Once for forty straight years years the Chechnians suffered carpet bombing by high tech weapons ? This battle has been going on for many many years. Do you know that the Chechnians were once ALL UPROOTED from Chechnia and marched to Serbia on foot? a full one third of the population died in that march, yet slowly they all returned. They returned because humans have love for their land and for their freedom. They fight because they love their freedom and their land.
Have no doubt that if Muslims did not have oil/land/commodities/assets they would be left alone and people would not even know that they existed. On the other hand, the Muslims if they had not fought back would have been like Africans (I hope you know what is happening there), i.e. completely vanquished (see Blood Diamonds the movie just to get some flavor).
About the Mullahs, they are no different than The Priest, the Rabbis and the Pundits. They use religion (while not knowing anything about it) to gain power. They promise heaven whereas the politician promises job and food. The problem is not religion or religious people but the evil within some ordinary people who while wanting freedom and justice for themselves deny the same to others. Sure killing is not the answer. I wish someone wise person will find a non violent path out of this mess. Nonetheless it will not happen while we blame religions (Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc) for all the ills in this world. .
May 5th, 2007 at 2:03 am | #
If one person has a problem with you, the problem could lie with the other person.
If two people have a problem with you, the problem could lie with the other 2
If 10 people have a problem, the problem could lie with the other 10
If the whole world has a problem with you, then i seriously believe you should look into yourself first before speaking.
Whatever justification the muslims want to give, the truth is that they should look at why they are having problem with every community, caste, religion and nationality. Are they over reacting? Or are they themselves the problem?
Sadly, introspection invites Fatwa in the muslim world. That’s the problem. Any religion that doesn’t give you an option for a healthy debate will have the same problem that you are seeing everywhere today.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:56 am | #
Arzan : You rather stick to the topic at hand and not retort to personal attacks or accusations such as “This ain’t some bollywood review yaar” or “If this post was just to increase comment submission to your blog, thats one thing”….just cause I write on Bollywood doesn’t mean guest bloggers on TEIO think on the same line. Plus, you don’t see me irking towards your fondness for “mangoes”. And as for blog traffic, dude don’t even get me started on that.
Full2Enjoy : You seem to be the only one making sense here.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:16 am | #
Hey Sakshi,
I guess what has contributed to Israel’s reputation as a threat to world peace is primarily due to the fact that Israel has shown scant respect to the agreements & directive of world governing bodies like UN. Be it the West Bank treaty or the directives of the Security Council, Israel has refused to accept and worst still… comply with any of them. What has aggravated the whole situation is the unconditional support that the US has given them… be it financial or armament or even political support. It is pretty clear that the US is building a rebel nation with its suport who can defy all sanctions/ treaties set by world bodies and attack anyone anywhere on the whims of the Big Daddy.
Also there can be separate debate on the cruelity with which Israel has dealt with Palestine… including the women and children.
A good insight on the history and root cause of all these issues is captured in great depth in Dominic Lapierre’s “Oh Jeruselem!”. Try getting a copy… its very interesting.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:27 am | #
Somebody doesn’t like Muslims. I wont tell who. Somebody!!!!!, you very well know who it is, Somebody. Somebody does’nt like Muslims.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:48 am | #
rvdas to mava to have the courage to call spade a spade ?
but the truth is always bitter, ain’t it ?
May 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pm | #
I though this discussion was about Israel but it seems that perhaps some just want to attack Islam. If you want to understand why Israel is being despised by the world then read the vast amount of research coming out of US universities, these professors are risking their lives and their career to dare to speak the turth.
Read guys like Uri Avneri (a journalist for J Post, a Jewish person) or Robert Frost a Christian who writes for Independent and lives in Beruit or Noam Chomsky (the genius from MIT and also a Jew) etc etc. Goto http://www.informationclearinghouse.info (BTW run by a US jew) and read articles by some of the most renounced brains in today’s world.
Making sweeping statement that everyone has a problem with Islam is very unsophisticated as well as a lie. It does not reflect (amongst other things) the reality on the ground. It does not tell us why Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco etc (we can call these Muslim countries) have great relationship with USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy and Spain(loosely can be called Christian countries).
Most problems have a socio economical root. Unless we begin to look at that and rectify the condition our problems will continue to exist. Remember Bhagat Singh was considered to be a terrorist too, so was Geroge Washington.
Consider the former USSR. For the sake of simplicity, it can be said that the former USSR wanted to hold on to a huge territory that did not belong to it. For more than a hundred years they killed the Chechnians and other Muslims in that country. They called them terrorists (Read Hadji Murad by Tolstoy). At the end USSR bankrupted itself. The countries that were seeking freedom are now free, but not Chechnia. Guess what, the Chechnian (still fighting for freedom) now more or less control the streets of Moscow and St Petersburg (Russia). Hence the price for its injustice was ultimately paid by USSR itself. One can argue if they had justly solved the problem years ago, they may have retained a whole number of territories which they unnecessarily also lost.
Hence Discard hate and poor opinions about other religions and you will see problems will begin to sort of solve by themselves. At the end of the day everyone merely want freedom. When Truth and Justice prevails, a lot of evil will disappear.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:08 pm | #
religion is a touchy issue….and quoting you here - “educated Muslim clerics to issue fatwa against these Muslim terrorists” - is not going to happen. After all, these educated clerics have a living to make by surviing within the system.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pm | #
Hey Saakshi
please re-think your demographic
someone coming to a blog for funny bollwyood reviews and entertainemtn
this is not the same audience that comes for political debate and hate-mongering
so basically understand your audience better
posting controversial stuff just to get comments is unethical
dont alienate your readers, they will unsubscribe
ranajith Kumar
May 5th, 2007 at 9:02 pm | #
@Shaan Khan: Whatever you say, I have to agree with Sakshi and Full2Enjoy that Islam and Muslims are causing problems in the world.
see, someone now thinks you HATE Muslims, im sure thats not true, but thats his opinion,
is that how you want to be percieved ???? is that what you want any muslim readers to know???
May 6th, 2007 at 4:02 am | #
Saakshi, u wrote an email to me and I replied back to you explaining to you the reason behind my comment. I think that was a waste of time because even after reading my email you post a comment here that makes no sense.
How in the world is saying “this is no bollywood review” a personal attack. Even saying that the article is controversial just for enhancing comments is not personal. A personal attack would be me saying “the author is a complete jerk and stupid….etc…etc” which I never said or implied.
What was personal in my attack ?
By the same way, I think you should tell your guest posters to not write political commentary like a bollywood review. Because it just reads like one. This is again not to demean bollywood reviews.
Why are you so touchy about criticism. Does everyone have to agree with what is written on the blog ??
And the snide remark you pass about my blogpost on mangoes is completely out of whack. What did I write that would irk you. If you dont like mangoes, good. If you dislike it, your problem. These are subjective issues. Israel and Islam are not.
And your comments about your blog traffic……my my, arent u touchy on this.
I think a lot of the commenters here are making sense, infact more sense than the original guest blogger. Maybe you should recruit some of them for a more meaningful dialogue.
May 6th, 2007 at 7:25 am | #
Arzan take it easy man, she is just a POW
May 6th, 2007 at 7:31 am | #
sorry for my ignorance, but whats a POW
May 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm | #
My fellow human being, you have the right to agree or disagree with anyone you want. Nonetheless if you state that “Islam/Muslim is the root of the problem†you have to support that position with facts (Most likely you will not find a single fact to support yourself). Simply stating something without facts or understanding does not do justice to your credibility.
I suggest to one and all, look at yourself first and foremost as a human (this will allow you to connect with everyone and everywhere) and then as citizen of a country/a person of a faith. If as humans we can feels each others pain we might be able to get rid of everyone’s sufferings.
Once you strip all discussions and debate of religious connotations then the solutions appears attainable. If not then the problem becomes worse. Try to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.
May 7th, 2007 at 3:43 am | #
@ ARZAN, are you serious you dont know what POW means?
May 7th, 2007 at 5:17 am | #
Ranajith Kumar : Listen boss, kindly refrain from labeling people has “religion” haters and not assume way too much (especially where there is nothing in the first place). This is post is about Muslim fanatics and terrorists and NOT Muslim people in general. I despise Hindu fanatics equally….for example political parties such as Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dal (you should be well-aware of this, cause you were the first one to comment against my rants on them). So seriously…cut your bullshit and comment with something worthwhile or don’t bother at all.
Anonymous : Hey…the thing is I never claimed to a ‘Bollywood Reporter” and the thing is..this Blog is all about Me and what I seem fit to write about. If this disappoints others…well I am sorry but that ain’t gonna change me and my preferences.
Arzan : Well…afterall you did comment here and so I had to reply to that here too (besides the email). Anyways..no use going over the same issues again, so will just let it be. As for guest bloggers on TEIO, well I think I do know what I am doing….if you don’t like what you read…then you can always skip it.
Shaan : I so agree with your last comment.
May 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pm | #
Parichay:
I agree.
At the end of the Second World War, the western powers needed a beach head (a base) to guard its interest in the Middle East against USSR (today this empire has drastically shrunk to just Russia + a few occupied territories). At that point the Jewish Holocaust became a tool to confront USSR with. Now there existed many other holocausts, some even worse than the Jewish holocaust, but those holocaust did not serve the purpose of the western powers. Needless to say, the existence of other holocaust does not diminish any holocaust. Hence let us agree what happened to the Jews was wrong and evil, even if it was not unique. The Zionist leaders of that time wanted a land in South America. A country in Africa was offered to them (South America was considered too valuable). But the present day Israel served the western needs the best. Hence always remember that the creation of Israel had less to do with the needs of the Jews and more about confronting USSR.
Since its creation, Israel has exploited the western need for a guard dog for the Middle East. They exploited even holocaust. They abused the Palestinians and sowed turmoil in the neighborhood surrounding Israel. Fortunately the Cold War is over and the demographics in the western world a changed, suddenly the west has woken up and realized that what Israel is doing in Palestine is beyond cruel, it is evil. Just like the Jewish Holocaust was evil so is the Holocaust of the Palestinians. Sane humans anywhere in the world cannot justify the occupation and killing of the Palestinians (Men, Women, & Children).
Unfortunately Israel’s deeds has become an albatross around USA’s neck. As an American this I resent as much as I resent the suffering of the Palestinians. I and the majority of the patriotic US citizens (alas USA is controlled by lobbies and not its citizens) hate to see the future of USA being jeopardized by Israel. We would like US to be strong and secure. At this point, with the end of Cold War, we see Israel as a bad headache and not as a friend.
May 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pm | #
Has anyone noticed that the original author of the post has not even bothered to comment on his writing and answer back the criticism.
Frankly is there really a person called MA, or is this ghost-writing at its best.
I would bet significant money that its the latter.
May 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pm | #
Arzan : Wow!! Now thats a lighting thought. (NOT !!!).
May 7th, 2007 at 3:45 pm | #
Did you mean lightning….or enlightening ??
May 7th, 2007 at 7:57 pm | #
Hi Sakshi,
Before calling Jesus Christ a Jew, you should have got your facts right. Bible has many versions, the ‘true christian version’ [as it is normally called by a lot of christians themselves, sorry i do not intend to hurt my christian brothers/sisters. Its not the Catholic or other versions that i am talking about bceause i have not read the other versions] says that he was a Christian. He taught that God was one and idol worship was not allowed as per Christianity. So before you say anything about any religion, bear in mind people feel about their religions just the way you feel about yours and to only avenge what you said i will not speak against hinduism because i am from India, a land of all religions. I would not hurt other people because of the careless words used by one person like you.
If you talk about world terrorism spread by other religions let me tell you, hinduism is limited to India, Sri Lanka, Nepal in majority. Rest of the world has hindus only as a minority and still you have Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena, RSS, VHP and the new group that damaged the Star News office amongst the known in only India itself, LTTE from Sri Lanka has ofcourse done a memorable job since 20 years or more. The killing of Biharis in Assam is also a good example. Just a few countries and still so many ‘hindu terrorist’ groups?
Now i dont say all Hindus are like that, i dont intend to hurt anyone but what i wanted to EXPLAIN was that THE RELIGIONS ARE NOT BAD, ITS THE PEOPLE.
If you have the power, ability to brainwash people, convince them then you can cause a problem easily if you use your skills in the wrong direction. Even a marginally intelligent person with a fair judgement can see this. Being marginally intelligent is quiet common but being fair and just isnt that easy, is it?
When you criticised Shiv Sena and the likes, you emphasised ‘FANATICS FANATICS’, why not in this article? Why target the whole 2 communities? If Christians had a problem with Jews, USA wouldnt pamper Israel…..its not just religion you see. A lotta factors decide who sides with whom. I dont know anything about Palestine from besides what is shown in the news and going by that i can say that like Pakistan is for me as an Indian, Israel must be for the Palestinians, same feelings i guess.
You are completely insensitive towards people from other religions and i m sorry to see that as an Indian . On top of that you say you have nothing against Muslims after your clear, direct attacks. If it was just fanatics you were criticising then you should have mentioned it clearly and not have said that Islam is creating problems the world over. Now you are changing your words. Anyone who agrees with your ‘communal views’ seems to make sense to you, the others who explain or put forward valid points for discussion are criticised. If you feel so then also please mention along with your blogs that ‘criticism is not welcomed, i stick to my views, i m always right’.
May 7th, 2007 at 8:52 pm | #
Rita:
Just a sidebar.
Jesus, if you look at historical literature (i.e. Jesus of History as opposed to Jesus of faith), prayed like a Muslim, i.e. with a “Sajda” . Hence Mel Gibson, a very devout Catholic Christian in his movie, “Passion of Christ” shows him doing the Sajda like Muslims. Historically even Moses did not call himself a Jew. The word “Jew” was coined much later, one can almost claim that it is a modern word. These prophets (including Abraham), peace be upon them, referred to themselves as people who submitted to God.
Hence as you can see words take new connotations. Let me explain this further, nowhere in the Vedas is the religion described as Hindusim. If you go by the root of the word Hindu then I too am a Hindu. I am a Muslim Hindu, because a Hindu is any person who lives by the Indus River. To the Arabs all people who lived by the Indus River were Hindus (or Hindi). Al Hind was the river Indus and also the land what we call India. The word Hindu is an alien word (from a Desi perspective) that was coined by Arabs.
Nonetheless today we good understanding of these words. Hence it is quite appropriate for someone to refer to Jesus as being born a Jew or a Jew. I have heard a lot of pastors and priest (I do some community inter faith volunteer work) also call Jesus a Jew on different occasions. Just like Muslims refer to Jews as their “Cousins”.
May 7th, 2007 at 8:53 pm | #
Ooh boy!! U really need a history lesson
May 8th, 2007 at 12:26 am | #
Rita, Jesus was born a Jew. Anyone born in Israel in those days was called a Jew. His followers coined the religion “Christianity”. Jesus never propagated Christianity. He only asked people to follow him. His followers created all the sub-divisions in the faith.
We love to club religion and God which is incorrect. God is for everyone. He doesnt discriminate between believers and non-believers. If there is indeed any such God, then what is the difference between him and man? Nothing. Both are behaving like stupids.
Religion is created by morons like us for morons.
God is supreme. He loves sinners and believers alike.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:53 am | #
It’s a shame that so many succumb to igornant, myopic viewpoints and inhale the American media’s biased bullshit, yourself included. Terrorism results from individuals who feel oppressed or marginialised, not a certain theology. Christians have masscared millions throughout history in the name of Christ Hindus have initiated radical hate groups (BJP, Shiv Sena) in the name of Hindutva; and, yes, Muslims have committed countless acts of terrorism on innocents in the name of Allah. Religion has nothing to do with it…it’s about radical mentalities. illegally subjugates and ostracises the Palestian people, treating them as second class citizens and denying them the basic rights appropriated to Israelis. No other government commits such form of organized discrimination, and Israel is breaking numerous international laws. It’s dangerous for you to form such classifcations, and I adivse you to examine the facts.
May 8th, 2007 at 3:51 am | #
I cannot type as fast as I can think or speak. Invariably I end up with missing words, typos and mistakes. I wish there was a way to go back and correct the errors.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:58 am | #
Arzan : No Boss…I exactly meant what I wrote. On the other hand I beginning to wonder whether “Ranajith” and you are infact the same person, since “assumption” seems to be a forte in both cases.
Rita : Cool…your comment could actually make a “post” by itself, maybe you should start blogging as well. Anyways…if you have actually read the post and the comments here…then you should be well-aware that this particular write-up has not been penned by me. So it seems you are the one who needs to get her/his facts correctly.
And..yeah! Thanks for dropping by.
Shaan : You can always re-comment.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:03 am | #
Hi Sakshi,
I am not talking about ‘being technically’ right by saying that you have written this.
But i think you will agree with me if i tell you that when you post articles on your url, you actually buy that idea. I will not post an article that has a sensitive issue to handle and gives a strong verdict about anything, anyone unless i too believe the same. Whether you write it or not, is a different issue. When you decide to put it up on your personal url, you ofocurse by default agree that you too think the same unless ofcourse you mention otherwise in your article which you havent ofocurse done. When Full2NJoy said something which is actually about the whole community you readily seemed to agree. Now tell me , will you still maintain that you were talking about the fanatics?
I partly agree with u Full2NJoy, God is for everyone, disbelievers or believers. But the only difference is that God also punishes you for your deeds and actions. Science cannot prove the existance of God but thats where the faith comes in. ‘Mano to bhagwaan, nahi to pathar’ , as Indians we all must have heard this proverb.
Coming to the point of Full2 again[sorry i m using a short form for your name] , ‘If 2 people, 10 people etc etc have a problem with you, you can be right but if the whole world has a problem with you then you should think about it etc’
I repeat my words, i am just using logic i dont intend to hurt anyone. Long back Sikhs were massacred in India by the Hindus, What happened with Christians in Orissa 7-8 years back is unforgettable, Hindu-muslim riots have occured quiet a few times. So now who do you get along with? Any one will not have an answer to this question but I have the answer and it is- Stop generalising, stop accusing people before you have actually checked with yourself and accused yourself.
The truth is that a lot of factors determine how one becomes a terrorist. Mahi is right when it comes to some people because yes some people may become terrorists because the oppression makes them lose the balance about whats right/wrong. But some people i feel do not even know why they are doing what. They walk on this path because someone they have been influenced by [friend, family anyone] does that. They think the person who is their influence can never be wrong and without really getting into the depth of things they follow the influencer. Also another reason is that it is easy to instigate/mislead people when they have been struck by a calamity. For example when fire breaks out in a cinema hall, everyone runs for their life when some one screams “run fire”, more people are killed due to the stampede than due to burning.
Even angry people can be easily instigated bceause as it is we humans need to vent out the negative energy, sometimes even unreasonably.
Almost 60 years of independence and we still fight amongst our selves not with the people who caused us to part with eachother[Britishers]. Thanks to God what happened with Palestine did not happen with us because it would have taken the USA UK just a thought to give away our land to some one who it didnt belong to. No one could have stopped them, no one can stop them.
I agree with Full2 once again when he says Jesus was born a Jew. But when you propagate a line of thought, a way of life you too become like your followers. Like Gautam Buddha was not a buddisht by birth, Mahaveer wasnt born a Jain, Gurunanakji was the founder of Sikhism and that clearly shows he wasnt born as a Sikh. They evolved in their life times to become what they are for us today. But ofocurse we dont say that they do not belong to the religion that they spread. Like wise Hinduism must also be having a beginning, someone must have started it. Ofcourse he must have been from some other community by birth. But you cant say that the person who intruduced it is not a hindu. You go technically wrong when you say that. Its like saying that Mr. Bal Thackeray is not a Shiv Sainik just because he founded Shiv Sena and Shiv Sena didnt exist when he was born.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:11 pm | #
Hello people,
Sakshi, Fulltoenjoy, Anonymous you are all right.
A fatwa should be issued but tell me something! Who is a fatwa issued against? If you see its the common man. The man who walks with you on the road, travels with you in the train, the man you meet in your local Mosque, in short a man who will be affected by the way other common men will treat him- not talk to him, ostracise him, banish him, behead him and so on.
The people called ‘terrorists’ are not your normal cafe Barista gang that will be affected by what you think about them. You cannot even do anything about them because they do not belong to your social circle. To execute the Fatwa issued regarding them, you will first have to find them, then go to their dens and then say “We have decided to ostracise you, no one from the society will marry your daughters, we wont gve our daugters to your sons, we are not talkin to you”. Does it make sense? Ask any common man and he will tell you that violence is never propagated by his religion.
But the Gujrat government of Modi is definitely socially accessible, the leader and his men would definitely be praying at the local temple, he must be having a social life, he can be easily punished or ostracised but why is it not happening? If because of this the integrity of all my hindu brethren is questioned, how will they react?
I give the same answer…….Ask a common man and he will tell you that violence is never propogated by his religion.
When you talk about getting along with other religions then even your religion faces the question that you have put forward to others.
For get about religions lets talk about us Indians, yes specifically us, we are not liked by many countries, yes not just UK USA but also China, France, Australia discriminate between us and others. One of the reasons is that because we always put up with the discriminating acts and not complain like we did during the Big Brother show. Pakis are a little too sensitive about the issue and you have more of them complaining than us Indians. Now we are hated a little more than before because we are progressing, the growth rate is going up and the superpowers feel we will get more powerful and they will have to lose the little control they have over us. Each day the programs in UK USA discuss this topic. Now dont tell me that in this case iit is the fault of Indians that almost everyone dislikes us. Its not us, its life.
The lesser i say the better about the fatwa issuing authorities in India. You dont have this problem in Gulf countries, not even in the liberal Islamic countries like Dubai, Malaysia,Indonesia. Because to be honest the maulanas you see on the bicycle are not the ones who issue fatwa. The only thing that they do that will make you call them religious is that they do namaz when it is the prayer time. Otherwise all they can teach you is how to read Arabic or Urdu. Yes recite the language is all they know so that they can teach you to read Quran which is in Arabic. Even they do not know the meaning unless they read the translation and mostly 90% of them do not read with the translation. The scholars who think that they have the authority to issue fatwa are different. But their knowledge is almost like not there. If you want to test what i say, read a part of Quran with translation in english or hindi and go and question them about it. I bet you will be knowing more than them about the part you have read. I have seen these scholars on news channel when they are consulted for a verdict or something and i have always felt that i , being a common person know more than them
May 9th, 2007 at 3:36 am | #
Rita What Sakshi is doing is called “Sublimal advertising”. After all the propoganda has to keep going.
May 9th, 2007 at 5:17 am | #
Oh! so you saying that we should not give others a chance to say what they want…if you don’t actually agree with them…or are with them on the same line of thought. Hmmmm…in that case, I should then bump off all your comments from here. What say you? Ms. Rai, the reason why one gets a guest blogger to write for them (atleast in my case) so that they bring variety in thoughts to the readers. If I start asking these guest bloggers to write on topics that only suit my needs (or the readers)…then I might as well do all the work myself.
I have given them the full liberty to write what they want…as long as they are not some death threats or ransom notes.
Mr. Kumar : Finally…finally you spoke some sense. And the best bit is folks like you assist me in my agenda.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:06 am | #
Hi Sakshi,
Good afternoon.
We comment when you write something that needs to be commented on, something thats one sided, somethings thats incomplete, afterall there are 2 sides to a coin. You Dont Write, We Dont Comment. Or better still why not do what i said before if you dislike our feedback, mention below ur articles that ‘criticism isnt welcomed, i will stick to my views, i am always right’.
If the ‘guest writer’ intends to write something, let him have his own blog. As long as the article gets exposure through your blog, you will be questioned about it…after all you question the editor of the news paper when gibberish is published.
What you say is right, the ‘ideas’ must get exposure, afterall how can it happen that we are finally progressing towards being a powerful nation, forgetting religious differences and its all allowed to take place without any ‘hurdles’? It has always happened. Something has to spoil the flavour…isnt it? Remeber Govinda’s song ‘It happens only in India’ .Good.
Lastly Ms. Sakshi, have you heard about a thing called as a ‘disclaimer’ ?
You should have used that ,if you wanted to give others a chance to write and did not still agree with their ‘thoughts’.
Writings that get worldly exposure, should be processed with RESPONSIBILITY. It is very very easy to attack people and communities, without looking into your own “girehbaan”.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pm | #
Dear Ms/Mr. Rai,
Firstly a very good afternoon to you too. There is this phrase “haath dhoke peeche padna” but its seems aap toh pura body leke peeche pad gaye hain.
Anyway, getting back to your comment I too totally agree that there are 2 sides to a coin…and everybody has a different viewpoint and outlook towards life. And that’s exactly what is been followed when I allow others to place their thoughts on my blog as guest bloggers. Again I emphasis…what they right doesn’t necessarily mean I too share the same views as him/her. To Each Its Own…as my blog’s name states.
And then I can say the same na…I RIGHT, SO YOU COMMENT. If I don’t than you won’t comment…then no use of your visit and then what’s the purpose of having a blog. As for the ‘disclaimer’, yes I have heard of it but I guess you ain’t familiar with the term “multiple bloggers”….to take for granted that all authors on a single blog, think on the same tangent then I guess you are just being overly presumptions and nothing else. Then you should definitely stay away from blogs like Desicritics, Blogcritics, etc….they might be too hard for you to digest.
Lastly, the point about my “girebaan”….seriously I have no clue what you mean here and frankly I don’t really care. Jai Hind.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:46 am | #
RITA RAI
Thanks for the great comment. Finally someone making sense on this blog.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:05 am | #
It seems like M.A the author is such a coward that he is even scared to respond to our comments, to make matters worse he sends Sakshi to do his job. M.A if you can’t respond to your readers don’t post your views on the site has a guest blogger.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:36 am | #
Thousands of years ago the great warrior leader Sun Tzu recommended that one should leave an out for those you attack. Hence please try giving some wriggle room to those whose views you oppose. Perhaps MA is just finally realizing how wrong he/she is on this issue, therefore allow him/her a honorable exit.
May 10th, 2007 at 5:13 am | #
Arzan : Ya rite…..
May 15th, 2007 at 9:39 am | #
I wonder if people really think before commenting. People calling political outfits like Shiv Sena as terrorists. RSS is supposed to be the major social work organisation wherever there’s calamity, drought & famine etc. & its supposed to be the most disciplined organisation after the army.
Has anyone ever thought why outfits like Bajrang Dal & VHP have sprung up? And also why educated Hindus, settled abroad, are the biggest fund contributors to these outfits. Its because when you go to villages you see proselitysation rampant by missionaries in the garb of education. Its because of the Muslim fundamentalism which has existed even in this country for so long.
On Israel, well for a nation whose people have seen very closely how being wiped out from the face of the earth looks like, u can’t blame them for being paranoid. Ofcourse now its been close to 60 years of existence for them and its time that Israel also starts toning its agression down. But the fact is the threat which looms Israel from being surrounded by Muslim counties all around. (Egypt tried to capture Israel once & paid the price.)
About terrorism, well it is true that majority of it is Islamic terrorism. And the sad thing is being mindlessly driven by a pursuit to convert the whole world into Islam. Its not really fighting for their land. How else do you explain Afghans & Libyans fighting in Kashmir?
US supports Israel because most influential bankers and economists & policy makers in US are Jews. Also because they need a someone to balance the Middle East of all Muslim countries. Israel will be continued to be hated by Muslims unless ofcourse the Muslim countries actually decide to stop supporting terrorism clandestinely and ban the fundamental clerics. This, ofcourse, will never happen.
And yes, I also do believe, that this post should have been posted under a different section and not here.
May 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pm | #
Subhojit
You failed to mention that Israel’s unsuccessful war (along with Britain) to take away the Suez Canal from Egypt. This was the reason that relation between Egypt and Israel soured. This was the cause of later wars. Additionally you failed to mention that the war that Israel won was solely on US weapons, guidance and US armed forces fighting for Israel. It was therefore US that beat back Egypt not Israel. As we have seen recently, Israel (even with US money and weapons) by itself is powerless even against a rag tag army of farmers and common folks.
In any case the accepted wisdom today is that Israel exist at the “mercy” of western interest in Middle East. As the threat against this interest recedes (i.e. Russia), so does the need for Israel. Ofcourse if the world finds a new source for energy Israel will be doomed.
Let me ask, are the Chechnians fighting to convert Russians to Islam ? Or are the Palestinians fighting to spread Islam ? Even the discredited Osama has made clear he is fighting to make ME clear of foreign occupation. So what are you talking about ?
Finally, Hitler made the trains runs on time does that justify killing of the Jews. No it does not. One good deed does not buy a license to do an evil deed. RSS can be a force of goodness but unfortunately is mired in bad deeds.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pm | #
On some points i agree with Shaan.
Ok as per someone here ‘RSS’ ‘Shiv sena’ ‘VHP’ are all saints ok….what about LTTE?
Conversion of people from one faith to another isnt the reason behind these groups.
LTTE has been on the scene way before any Osama or whatever.
Did u think before commenting Shobit? If the war was about religions Kashmir wouldnt have been attacked, Kashmiri Pandits n Muslims lived there peacefully. Its a war of politics. Some silly country wants to have a land that doesnt belong to it but because it isnt getting that, it is playing dirty games.
If most of the terrorists are muslims, ok, but that doesnt mean a common muslim is one.
I think they all got their inspiration from LTTE…..their heroes who are actually not muslims if u know
May 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pm | #
Life:
When asked, the Kashmiris say that their situation is complicated. Nonetheless in today’s world no one can honestly say that their life is simple and straight forward. I feel no matter what, Kashmiris have done an injustice to their faith (which forbids it) by cleansing the valley of Pandits. Islam does not condone killing of innocent under “any” circumstances. The Prophet of Islam protected even ants. Killing of Pandits is wrong for the same reason that Israel is wrong in killing Palestinians. Unfortunately Kashmiris are trying to get a free pass on their deeds (just like Israel uses Holocaust to cover up their crime) by claiming that they are victims of Indian Army’s aggression. The bottom line is that two negitives do not make a positive. We have to learn to discard hate on religious and nationalistic grounds.
Mar 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm | #
dear friend,
u are very good novelist, u r describing a story with out any proof, w? ever u spell it is todays innocent media’s words.first tell me the proof of islamic terrorism? who is terrorist? is western unions BJP, RSS, SS……tell me who had made the terror(bush, sangh parivar, ormlet,) they the generators of terrors…. US is the mother of terror…..they doing bussinesswith innocenthumans…they are selling there weapons to india pak and all over the world they are thefting oil from gulf… what man u r also talkin innocently before wrote any these type of stories investigate……allah may show u the right way
every muslim following quran, who are not following the are not muslim…inshaallah the days are very near u can see who is having faith… do plese read quran….
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