Shoaib Akhtar Doped Out Of The Champions Trophy

Now I get it - how shoaib akhtar gets more pace than brett lee, when he is half the size of Brett, and half his shoulder muscles (so much vital for pace bowling).

Lekin, why are the Pakistanis such cheats… .. even Akram had to resort to antics like lifting the seam of the ball. I wont be surprised if Darrell Hair is right about Inzamam and the paki team, however unworthy Darrell hair is of being an umpire.

Well, on second thoughts, I might have made a blanket statement. But isnt the pakistani team really famous for that. I mean, it is said that when you are playing in pakistan, you are against 13 players on the field instead of 11 (the two umpires).

Anyway, they have talent. dont they realize that they dont need drugs to perform.

Shadows: Have your facts straight before commenting on anyone. Pakistanis were called cheats by the English who, when could not play against the superb fast bowling (reverse swing) of Waqar and Waseem, called them cheats. Now, when the English team has learned to reverse swing, no body is calling them cheats. Reverse swing was invented on the dead bowling tracks of the Subcontinent. Actually it was Sarfraz who first taught Imran how to reverse swing. As far as cheating in concerned if look at cricket history, you will come to know that the West Indians, Australians and the English have cheated time and again. I am an ardent fan of cricket and have followed cricket since the 70s when I was a kid. I used to listen to live BBC test commentary in the last 70s and the 80s and heard and read all about unfair umpiring decisions by the Western team against the Indians and the Pakis. So please don’t call them cheats, don’t just blindly follow or listen to those GORAS.

Sunny paaji,

theek hai theek hai. shaant vats, shaant. krodhit na ho. sab cricket dekhte hain. And in India, every other person is an expert in cricket.

One way to generate is to lift the seam. Guess what Sarfraz Nawaz invented

I called them cheats not because GORAS call them so..
1. Imran first admitted to ball tampering
2. Waqar and Waseem have later admitted to ball tampering
3. Shoaib and Asif take performance enhancing drugs.
4. It has been said by many teams incl India, not just the goras, that playing in pakistan is like playing against 13 players.
5. paki umpires have rarely given benefit of doubt to India.

Now, The magnitude of reverse swing increases with the speed of the ball. So with a normal ball, you have to bowl very fast. Or use the bottle cap to increase the swing. Given the large amount of swing generated by waseem and waqar, it was pretty clear that the ball has been tampered. A normal ball cannot give such huge swing. Well, I once saw a show on TV explaining the physics of swing.

SUNNY

Well said. Seems the commenter in question is in the habit of shooting off the hip without any substantiation of facts. Its funny how people read bits and parts of information and start believing that to be real news. Whatever happened to analysis and thought !!

It surely is a blow to Pakistan !! And yes my jingoistic side is jumping with glee. But on the other hand, this is one time where Pakistan has hit the axe on its own toe.

Unlike other times when there have been concerted efforts bordering on racism to malign the image of the Indian Sub Continent, there is no conspiracy theory in this issue.

What I am referring to are the chucking accusations on bowlers from SL, IND and PAK and the recent “forefeiting” of test match against Pakistan.

Arzan, you know what. I definitely feel that Murali and Shoaib chuck. Note their action carefully. The bend in shoaibs arm is more than 15 degree when bowling. and murali gives a marked jerk while releasing the ball.
Stupid accusations ignored.

>>>> Now, The magnitude of reverse swing increases with the speed of the ball. So with a normal ball, you have to bowl very fast. Or use the bottle cap to increase the swing. Given the large amount of swing generated by waseem and waqar, it was pretty clear that the ball has been tampered. A normal ball cannot give such huge swing. Well, I once saw a show on TV explaining the physics of swing.

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Arzan, why dont you comment on the above section of the post, rather than ranting on about racism?
Use your brains, such reverse swing is not possible without ball tampering, at the given bowlers speed. And waqar and waseem have admitted to it. Did you miss that days papers, I guess

Friends:
Yes, in reverse swing, they shine one side of the ball and leave the rest so that it is rough on one side and the other half shines and that brings about reverse swing. Yes you are right, they did tamper the ball in that sense but since cricket started people have been shining the ball (may not be only on one side). That was real reverse swing. I agree with you, Shadows, that I also have my doubts as far as Shoaib is concerned who chucks it but Imran and Sarfraz (and I guess the rest) used to shine it on one side and left the other half. That made the ball swing the other way.

Sunny,

The shine on one side of the ball brings one sided swing. Its bernoulli effect at work here. The shining side does not hinder air flow over the ball and so the pressure is low on that side. This causes the ball to drift on the shining side. Of course, there is a way to release the ball for that to take effect. Thats the skill a bowler has to develop. And the wind and weather conditions matter too. (Thats the reason why more swing in England than India). There are many such variables in the equation.

There are two seams on the ball. One is the main seam which has many stitches going around the circumference of the ball. The other seam is at right angles to this one, going across the main seam. Lifting that seam with a bottle cap or even fingernail is what causes reverse swing. The disturbance caused by the side seam takes effect at a certain speed and angle of air passing over it. And using bottlecaps or nails to lift the seam is tampering Well its the rules of the game. The day using bottle caps or nails to lift the side seam is legal, they are not cheating

Agreed, but read below; even our players were involved:

From BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rulesandequipment/5270308.stm

Last few paragraphs from this article are below:

However ball tampering and its other derivatives are not an exclusive Pakistani malaise - far from it.

Former England captain Mike Atherton hit the headlines with the “dirt in the pocket” scandal in 1994, when he was caught rubbing dirt on the ball against South Africa at Lord’s.

And Indian batting giants Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid have both been charged by the ICC for altering the condition of the ball in the last five years.

Dravid was fined 50% of his match fee after cameras had caught him unwittingly shining the ball with fragments of an energy candy he was chewing after it had stuck to his finger during a one-day match against Zimbabwe in 2004.

And Tendulkar was handed a one-match suspended ban and fined 75% of his match fee for “acting on the ball” in the second Test between South Africa and India in Port Elizabeth in November 2001.

The punishment handed out by ICC match referee Mike Denness provoked an enormous backlash in India, forcing Denness to clarify that Tendulkar had been charged for “removing grass from the ball but not having informed the umpires”.

The scenes at The Oval will be indelibly etched as one of cricket’s darkest days, but it is unlikely it will be the last time the controversy of ball-tampering will rear its ugly head.

Yeah, I would say even dravid and tendulkar cheated, if they indeed did.
But Pakis are a lot more prone to such activities like ball tampering, wrong appeals, partial umpiring, etc.

OK yaar that I admit. But I am really happy to find someone who is as passionate about cricket as I am. As I live in the US now (moved here in the 90s), I cannot watch cricket as much as I used to while I was growing up. Anyway, it’s good to know you and would love to chat with you about cricket in future. By the way, if you don’t mind my asking, where are you based in and how old are you? I am in my late 30s. The other reason I get a little touchy when someone criticizes Pakis (although they have their faults and the wars etc) is that for me it’s always one subcontinent. I never believed in partition and would love to see one united India, the country of my forefathers.

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I am in India, a technical lead in the software industry in the twenties.
As for this below,
>>> I never believed in partition and would love to see one united India, the country of my forefathers.

I dont think thats possible now. We are too far apart now, whatever those stupid messiahs of secularism say. If we had a chance , it was before the 80s. They are now arabized, radical and fundamentalist muslims, who believe in hate, and sadly, many Indian muslims seem to be following their footsteps.(yeah yeah, dont give me that “they are brainwashed” crap. First of all, do I deserve to die if they are brainwashed, and secondly, does anyone accept such reasons from us?) We are now, as a reaction to muslim fundamentalism, plus government’s false sense of secularism, are not much interested. Forget it.