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Searching for ‘Sita’…

A comment was left on my this post. Here a part of it that got to me big time….

“Indian Women have a tough act to follow, i.e., to idolize or take into consideration the sacrifices made by Sita, Sati Savitri, Parvati, etc. They were the great women of India and whatever they did in their possible manner meant that the Indian women had to follow their act, which is and was extremely difficult. So you have a predecessor who has set the highest standards for moral standing and self control and moral behavior. So Indian women till time immortal would be compared with this role models.

The above comment as well as few comments in my previous posts does not only reflect the attitude of few bloggers but also includes the Indian society (atleast a part of it) and it’s obsession with ‘Sita’ like image for every women !! According to them a ‘women’s role’ is portrayed in a highly focused manner as an ideal wife who acts as the moral anchor in a marriage, and stays unswerving in her loyalty and righteousness no matter how ill-matched be her husband’s response.

The search for modern-day Sita can be seen everywhere. If you glance thru matrimonial classifieds practically every second ad in ‘Bride Wanted’ section would start with a sentence like this…“Wanted a fair, beautiful, cultured, educated and homely girl from a good family.” One would think that there was a sea change in the thoughts and attitudes of the modern Indian society. But the ads prove that the Indian man is still looking for a ‘Sita’, in short a women who can cook, sing and regard him as her ‘permeshwar’ till death or divorce to them apart. Many people in India find it difficult to justify or reconcile themselves to the fact that in a culture which worships Saraswati as the Goddess of Learning, so many girls are deprived of even primary education; in a culture which worships Lakshmi as the Goddess of Wealth, so many modern-day Lakshmis live a slavish life of economic dependence; in a culture where male Gods have had to appeal for perfection to the feminine Shakti, women among many communities are not allowed to venture out of their domestic confines without male protection.

In today’s modern and crude society, would you consider ‘Sita’ to be ideal role-model for young women? Here are my views on this question. I grew up thinking of Sita as a much wronged woman – a slavish wife without a mind of her own. And precisely for that reason she was not for me a symbol of inspiration, but a warning. She was all that I did not want to be. I believed she deserved her fate for being so weak and submissive. Her suffering was seen as a product of masochism, lack of self hood and supine surrender to patriarchy. It was not as though I were deliberately and consciously rejecting Sita as an ideal. Fortunately, she was never held up as an example for me and, therefore, she did not seem an important reference point – positive or negative – in my life, until now. As young girls we are advised and inspired to look up to public figures like Rani Lakshmibai of Jhansi, Indira Gandhi and Dr. Kiran Bedi as our role models, but when on reaching the threshold of marriage we are expected to follow ‘Sita’s footsteps. At this point of life, the distinction between an ideal woman and an ideal wife seems to get blurred in the minds of women.

It is a common sentiment among Indians that the ideals set in bygone ages are still valid and worth emulating, though they admit few people manage to do so in today’s world. This attitude contrasts sharply with the popular western view that assumes that people in by-gone ages were less knowledgeable, were far less aware and conscious of their rights and dignity, had fewer options, and therefore were less evolved as human beings. This linear view of human society makes the past something to be studied and kept in museums but is not expected to encroach upon the supposedly superior wisdom of the present generation. In India, on the other hand, Ram and Sita are not seen as remote figures out of a distant past to be dismissed lightly just because we are living in a different age and have evolved different lifestyles. They are still perceived as living role models having set standards so superior that they are hard to emulate for those living in our more “corrupt” age, the kalyug.

Frankly, I have no issues against Indians who consider ‘Sita’ as a perfect role model….as long as they do so for the right reasons. As in when, Indian women are not endorsing female slavery when they mention Sita as their ideal. Nor does accepting Sita as an ideal mean endorsing a husband’s right to behave unreasonably and a wife’s duty to bear insults graciously. She should be seen as a person whose sense of dharma is superior to and more awe inspiring than that of Ram – someone who puts even maryada purushottam Ram – the most perfect of men – to shame. Sita’s agni pariksha should not be put in the same category as the mandatory virginity test Diana had to go through in order to prove herself a suitable bride for Prince Charles, but rather as an act of supreme defiance on her part. Since it only underscores the point that Ram was an emotionally unreliable and who had been unjust in his dealings with Sita and that he behaved like a petty minded, stupidly mistrustful, jealous husband and showed himself to be a slave to social opinion.

However very few would agree on the above. Instead many try to find lame justifications for Ram’s cruel behavior towards Sita in one of the following ways:

Ram did it not because he personally doubted Sita but because of the demands of his dharma as a king; he knew she was innocent but he had to show his praja (subject) that unlike his father, he was not a slave to a woman, that as a just raja he was willing to make any amount of personal sacrifices for them.

It was an act of sacrifice for him as well. He suffered no less, and lived an ascetic life thereafter;

He banished only the shadow of Sita. He kept the real Sita by his side all the time.

While for some women Sita represents an example of an ideal wife, but I am happy to except her as Sita mata (jagjannani), not just the daughter of earth but Mother Earth herself who inspires awe and reverence. However I would gladly incorporate the role of ‘Modern Sita’ the day the Indian Society rejects ‘Ram’ as an appropriate husband. It is also very interesting to note that while there has been a lot of discussion and analysis of the demands put on women in the Hindu tradition, the sacrifices expected of ideal wives, we have failed to evaluate the demands put on an ideal husband.

ps…the above post is not written to hurt anyone’s religious sentiments, it’s simply expressing my view-point.

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arZan
Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:20 am | #

So you have a predecessor who has set the highest standards for moral standing and self control and moral behaviour. So indian women till time immortal would be compared with this role models.“

I have grave reservations about the comment left on your earlier post. I think the whole Sati Savitri thing is used to just prove a point. It is not considered a standard to which one needs to abide by.

A lot of mythology is there for a reason. To make illiterate uneducated ancient people understand something through stories. Nothing more.

I personally dont think it is so serious an issue as you make it out to be. I may be wrong.

Mridula
Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:21 am | #

“Nor does accepting Sita as an ideal mean endorsing a husband’s right to behave unreasonably and a wife’s duty to bear insults graciously.”

These lines gave me a jolt! Bear insult? That is something that does not even cross my mind. I may hear about it but not even in the close circle of my firends. You sure seem to get a lot of moronic comments because of the valid arguments you make.

HalfDesi
Nov 18th, 2005 at 5:14 am | #

I, too, would like a beautiful, cultured and educated spouse.

The men posting the ads ahave a better chance of finding what they are looking for than I do.

I’d probably make a great husband. Except for the fact that I am a woman.

The western view is not as forward-thinking as it may appear. There are many who long for “the good old days”. and “traditional values”. I would say that in the USA, they are called “Republicans”, but I know that many Democrats are also stuck in the past.

Even with the “ideals set in bygone ages”, education of women makes a lot of sense. After all, who is going to be the first to educate the children? The schools? The father? No… it is the mother who teaches the children first in a “traditional” household. Why else would your first language be called your “mother tongue”?

sakshi
Nov 18th, 2005 at 6:31 am | #

Arzan : I agree, the comment was made just to prove a point. But sadly, it’s not where it all ends. I have come across many such comments aswell seen men who want ‘Maliaka Sherawat’ type girlfriend…but when it comes to ‘wife’ material…they want a ‘Sita’. I also agree, that lot of mythology exsisted to educate the ancient people. However, even today many try to emulate the preachings stated in mythologies. Again, I am not against it as long as people can differenciate between the right and wrong. The thing that gets to me is that (some) people when they say they want a ‘Sita’ type women, they simply mean a homely, docile women who will forever regard her husband as her ‘ultimate god’…no matter what the husband’s character is. These very people…are not looking at the qualities that made ‘Sita’….’Sita’ a women who rejected her husband’s unjust demands and whose sense of dharma has proved to be far more superior than the great king ‘Ram’. As for the seriousness of the issue…well maybe it’s not, I simply wrote this to express my views on the topic.

Mridula : That’s excatly my point. Forget thinking on these lines…people like ourselves will stay thousands for miles away from people who think like this. As for moronic comments…believe me this is still very decent compared to comments to some of my previous post. :)

Sumanth
Nov 18th, 2005 at 3:44 pm | #

What about thousands of men who died trying to save her ? Were no they all wronged ? Because men are just disposable. Sita had a much better life than the thousands of men who died young. Why do not yoy write about it as well.

BTW, just recollect what she said to Laxman when he refused to run to save his brother near their hut ?

She said, “You want my husband to die, so that ….”

The attitudes do need to change. Men are still at Dasaratha’s levels protecting and providing for all treacherous.

blokes
Nov 18th, 2005 at 7:21 pm | #

sakshi- I think we need to see why Sita is such a “button pusher”. Why does the modern Indian feminist have a problem with a sita or a savitri or Sati? I have never felt Sita or Savitri to be docile women. On the contrary they have been very outspoken and had an equal relationship in theirmarriageswith their husbands. In all cases, they got to choose whom they married. so what is the problem? Is it because they did not sleep around with more than 1 man? And is that what the modern indian feminist wants?What does she want to prove with that?

sakshi
Nov 19th, 2005 at 6:11 am | #

Sumanth : Ahhh..reading your comment completely confuses me. I can’t decide whether to laugh at your thoughts or pull my hair out over the fact that such supidity still exists. Anywaz, I will do what a well-mannered member of the Indian society is expected to do, which is…to answer to your comment.

You write “What about thousands of men who died trying to save her ? Were no they all wronged ? Because men are just disposable. Sita had a much better life than the thousands of men who died young.”

Well for the above it could also be argued that all the men who lost their lives while trying to rescue her, did so on King Ram’s instructions. They did it for him and not her, so why blame Sita ? Secondly, it could also be argued that Ram decided to rescue Sita not because of his un-dying love for her but just for his and his family’s reputation’s sake. I mean what would the people of his kingdom say…that a powerful and almighty King Ram could not even protect his wife !!!

Your second point is..BTW, just recollect what she said to Laxman when he refused to run to save his brother near their hut ?She said, “You want my husband to die, so that ….”

Well it could be again argued that Sita said the above words because she loved her husband immensely. She wanted Laxman to go and help Ram and she knew that he would not do so if she told him plainly…therefore she had to use such harsh words.

Lastly, you say…The attitudes do need to change. Men are still at Dasaratha’s levels protecting and providing for all treacherous.

Ohhh !! dude give us all a break. Men are no way at the level of Dasaratha or Ram or any god for that matter….and women are in no terms Sita, Durga, etc….so just stop trying to fool yourself or others. Sadly, it seems that you did not understand what the whole post was about….but then to explain it to you would be like ‘banging my head against the wall’…so I shall save myself from the pain and let you believe whatever you want.

sakshi
Nov 19th, 2005 at 6:24 am | #

Blokes – I have a suggestion for you. Kindly please read the post again. If you still don’t understand kindly ask someone who can read..write and understand English to read the post and explain it to you in more simple words.

I am in no-way talking about infidelity or feminist issues here.

What I have written is that..(some) people of the Indian society…when demand a ‘Sita’ type women…they are not-reffering the qualities of ‘Sita’..that made her ‘Sita’ in the first place. They are talking about ‘Sita’ who is expected to be homly, docile..a women who should give into demands of her husband…even when the latter is in the wrong side. They want a bahu/biwi..who regards her husband has her ‘parmeshwar’.

As I said…kindly read the post again.

Sumanth
Nov 19th, 2005 at 4:36 pm | #

So you believe that men like Lakshman must bear all the verbal/mental abuse by womenas they are robots. If women and society considers men as insensitive robots, no doubt they will behave the same way.

Even if I accept your foolish justifications, can you explain what an old and sick Jatayu experienced trying to save Sita ?

I do not believe that imbalance can ever remain in any society. Nature always creates a balance. If you believe that men had a good time where as only women suffered, then you will never contribute anything to society. The sufferings are always balanced.

Sumanth
Nov 19th, 2005 at 4:37 pm | #

Savitri is a woman who protected and provided for her sick husband in whatever possible way she could. or did she do any other sin that you are obsessed to bash hersself up ?

sakshi
Nov 21st, 2005 at 10:42 am | #

Sumanth – As I mentioned….explaining you is like ‘smashing my head against the wall’.

Ambar
Nov 22nd, 2005 at 2:12 pm | #

Keep smashing your head. Maybe then you can bring your IQ down to the level of that sumanth retard. :D

Haridas Dave
Nov 27th, 2005 at 11:39 am | #

The funny part regarding your post on Sita and the moral standing of Indian Men and Women is very confusing. I don’t know if you have read Ramayana or if you read it you interpreted it correctly or not. When Sita was taken to Lanka, initially she was not taken to the Ashoka Grove, but she was shown the splendor and the might of Ravan, she was shown the life she could enjoy after being Ravan’s Wife. At one side is all the riches of the world and on other side the hardships and pains of Banwaas. But she chose the other, she chose to remain chaste, and thats why she is great. You need strength to deny a man of Ravan’s status (he was at his peak of might and riches when he took Sita away). she was not submissive. If she would have been she could have easily secluded to Ravan. But she respected her husband more than anything else. I think you are taking the wrong interpretations from the great epic. The relation between Ram and Sita was not merely of man and woman, husband and wife, it was of a great mutual respect. Ram respected her and her views and was willing to fight anybody for her, meanwhile Sita was all willing to respect her husband’s opinions. Ram did not intend her to blindly follow whatever he said, actually Sita understood the kind of doubts people had regarding her stay at Lanka, and she also to prove her chastity was willing to sacrifice, the material goods. Ram alone as the oppressor and Sita as the sufferer is a wrong conclusion.
A hgh character is a sign of strength and not weakness. I hope you keep that in mind. Sita was great because she was strong on her willpower. If you cannot emulate her, don’t condemn her.
Sita is not only great as a wife but as a mother as well where she taught the right values of respecting father inspite of her own sufferings. She did not seek revenge on what was done to her.
Anyway, Indian Men is too a collective word. It is impossible to guarantee for the entire Nation’s Men would follow Ram or Krishna, but I cannot tell about others but about myself alone.
The standards are high and the road is tough, but the ideals are right and eventually I’ll be there.

Mahitosh
Nov 28th, 2005 at 10:03 am | #

Haridas- Aapne bahut sahi kaha hai!!!

Desh
Jan 28th, 2006 at 5:42 pm | #

Haridas: You say it well!

Sakshi: I understand from where you are coming and respect that sentiment. I have heard a lot of people curse and abuse Ram.. and for long could not respect many of his actions. I greatly respect the Sufis and Gurus like Guru Nanak Dev. And for some strange reason Ram seemed to be their “Isht Dev”! So, by law of induction I was forced to look at him again! I now believe that what is not put in the correct perspective is that Maryada means Duty. One following duty without personal interest is the ultimate yogi. Sacrifice is of many types:

One of your thoughts.
Two, when someone hurts you and you still do your duty
Third, (and the toughest) that someone hurts your own and you still do your duty.

It is infinitely difficult for me to see someone hurt my daughter and still be non-violent than some one hurting me instead!

Since love of Ram for Sita was never ever in question, I think his was the sacrifice of the third kind when he asked her to do the Agni Pariksha.

To further understand the confusion that Maryada (Duty) centric action vs “Morality” centric action brings I invite you to read these blog posts of mine, in the order presented:

1. http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=node/238
2. http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=node/667

I think when you deliberate enough on what I have written in the two posts you will get my point.

Great blog btw!

Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com

Akshata
Sep 27th, 2006 at 4:54 pm | #

Haridas & Desh: I would agree with you on the part about Sita being a strong upright woman who could think for herself. Nobody is debating ramayan here so please dont flaunt your knowledge here. As the others, you fail to understand (or pretend to do so to come with an altenative & yet wrong argument) that sakshi is talking about the same people who forget the strong qualities of Sita and look upon her as a meek, homely woman and THUS want such a woman for marriage. THEY are the ones wrongly interpreting Sita, not sakshi.
Do us all a favor and give some thought to whatever you read before jumping to reply.

Sakshi: that is one really balanced and very well articulated article. Kudos to you!

Lakshmi
Jun 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm | #

yes, in my viewpoint, ram was not a good husband. he subjected his wife sita to enormous sufferings for no fault of her. imagine a pregnant woman being left in the middle of the forest in the midst of wild animals and no help. ram is a male chauvinistic pig. for him praja(his subjects) was more important than his devoted and chaste wife sita. instead of scolding the washerman, he punished sita. sita was also not bold and dynamic. she was very meek and submitted to ram’s wishes. she should have fought back.

sgb
Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:49 am | #

I HOPE THESE POINTS DONT HURT ANYONE , SORRY IF IT DOES
1) sita was strong charecter who could please her husband and follow to forest and lead tough life .
2) sita scolded laskhman becuase she loved her husband more and love is blind & deaf . also bhabhi mAa ke saman hoti hey so WHY she cant scold her child…nobody tells this.when she is taking avtar as human being she too will behave like human. People accept Ram’s role as AVtaar,human,GOD but when sita its question mark.
3) no matter what there are lot of justification theories used by preachers , sadhus to defend ram as they are also men , cant help this.
4) in many pravachans the preachers say whenever ram performed his role dont forget he just delivered his role but he is still para brahma swaroop
BUT i have not seen/heard anyone tell the same thing to sita mata that she too performed her divine role much better than RAM and not to speakk ill of her as she is alos mere puupet in this lilla or ram.
5)if we perceive ram as our father and sita s our mother and try to interpret its painfull to narrate this story. Tears just flow down, emotions choke and you cant proceed to give commentry.
6) using intellect or budhi reduces tha vlue of both RAM & SITA. The truth is they loved each other mentally or mansik level love which cannot be understoood by anyone.
7) what ordinary human can do is learn from their divine drama mistakes and not to do in our life THATS ALL.

jai sri ram

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